amalthia: (CareBears Friend)
[personal profile] amalthia
Master Posts are posts where an author lists their header information as well as chapters to all the parts in their LJ posted fic. This helps the reader find all the parts in the story.

The basic Master Post shares essential information about the story such as:

Author:
Title:
Pairing:
Fandom:
Word Count:
Warnings:
Summary:
Artist: (Include link)

Most authors get this part just right.

The part many authors miss is helping the reader find all the parts to their fic. I don’t think readers are asking a lot. We want to read your story, we want to read it in the correct order, and we actually want to read ALL of the story.

Some authors use tags, which helps, but tags are not nearly as effective as a simple list of links leading to each chapter or part in the story.

But in doing that, sometimes the links aren't enough either because they lead to locked posts, they aren't in a logical order; in so many ways, writers shoot themselves in their own feet by making it difficult to read multiple post fic.

For example, what many authors do is list Chapter 1a but make no mention of 1b in their chapter post let alone at the top of Chapter 1a, which could lead the reader to believe that there are no links at the bottom of the fic. This is NOT good. Not everyone (like me) is going to scroll down 18 plus chapters to see if there is more at the end. Trying to read a story shouldn’t be like a scavenger hunt.

This sucks. And the author gets no cookie or brownie points from me or any other reader that has experienced this.

Another issue for the multi-part stories is that some authors make 2 Master Posts. For the reader this is confusing, first because it makes me ask why there are two master posts for the same story? Why not just have one master post and list all the links there.

One time there was a multi-part story with two master posts, and in master post #1 (which was part 1), there were (let's just say) seven chapters numbered 1 through 7. But in the master post #2 (which was part 2), there were eight chapters, and they were numbered 1 through 8. If you stumbled upon master post #2, you might think you were at the beginning of the story, but instead you ended up in the middle. Much confusion develops for the reader when trying to figure this out.

If you MUST have two master posts (though it boggles the mind as to why you would want this kind of maintenance nightmare), then the chapters should be consistently sequential from beginning to end. Like this:

Part 1

Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3

Part 2
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6a
Chapter 6b

It’s the author’s job (if they choose to share their writing) to make the access to their stories clear and not confusing. It does not inspire confidence in a story if an author cannot share their story in a way that does not confuse the reader or cut them off from the rest of the story.

Many workplaces now block social networking sites such as Livejournal. Readers have found a few ways to get around these blocks such as downloading fic to usb sticks, emailing the stories to themselves, and etc…as a result when they (including myself) are at work and have the time to read the fic, this is not the best time to find out they missed downloading parts of the author’s story. Keeping in mind with a limited amount of time in the evening to download and etc…this happens quite often.

These are just some things to keep in mind if you’re an author posting a multi-chaptered story or splitting a story up due to LJ word posting limitations. The simplest solution would be a single file version but if that is not possible then it is rather important that the author make it as easy and clear as possible for their readers to find every part of their story in a single post.

Date: 2010-06-15 03:38 am (UTC)
tassosss: Shen Wei Zhao Yunlan Era (Default)
From: [personal profile] tassosss
So much word to this! If I stumble over a story at part 18 - or go to the latest post of a now finished story so I don't have to read it wip - the most frustrating thing is to not be able to find the beginning of the story. If it takes more than ten minutes - and I consider that generous - I'm not reading the story.

Date: 2010-06-15 03:47 am (UTC)
tassosss: Shen Wei Zhao Yunlan Era (Default)
From: [personal profile] tassosss
The tags!! OMG, I have so many broken links on my to read list now and it's such a pain to fix them.

I'm a fan of a sticky post or a link to an archive or something that is organized and relatively complete. It probably is a separate discussion since it's a multi-story issue as opposed to a single story issue.
ender24: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ender24
ogod, that was a horrific day!
thank god, most of my stories from my rec lists were linking to the SSA, otherwise, I would seriously got a crisis, if I had to link everything anew XD

Date: 2010-06-17 03:31 am (UTC)
915: (Default)
From: [personal profile] 915
Wait, what tag rules did LJ change?

Date: 2010-06-17 03:35 am (UTC)
915: (Default)
From: [personal profile] 915
Really? My tags are still intact with spaces and such. I haven't heard about the rule changes until now and I use LJ as my mothership.

Date: 2010-06-15 08:42 am (UTC)
mizubyte: ([falloutboy] ashlee/pete are content)
From: [personal profile] mizubyte
Ohhhh god yes. I totally agree. And backwards/forwards links on each part too please. (I've only experienced this twice, both for big bangs, but both times it was very helpful for ME to have a header at the top of every part

ie: [master post | part 1 | part 3 | part 4 | art]

etc. It was more coding work on my part, sure, but you can't say you get lost! (Though I haven't tried this yet with a story that was more than 3 parts.)

Although, I also tend not to post WiPs. Even when I post subsequent stories in a series, I try to go back to the earlier stories and add in the new links, so that no matter where people stumble in, they can find their way to the beginning/middle/end. (there's nothing worse than coming across a part 1, with no link to a part 2. but in part 2 they link back to part 1... argh.)

Slightly related, but of definite interest to me --- what about Master Lists of all the fic an author has written? Do you think the same headers should apply? Most master lists I've seen tend to just have a title and a pairing, maybe a brief summary. I loathe how my own is set up, but with so many fics, I'm not sure how else to do it. (although I'm contemplating a delicious...)
Edited (i can spell, i swear...) Date: 2010-06-15 08:42 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-06-15 10:31 am (UTC)
sarkka: midsummer bonfire that looks like a feenix (Default)
From: [personal profile] sarkka
SO MANY YAYAYS !!! for this post ;) !

It's annoying to trying to find the chapters (if there ARE ANY) and even more annoying to trying to keep up with parts of chapters...as I like to copy everything into a word doc and read it in my historically old laptop and it bugs me OH SO MUCH to do too much work with fics.

Worst are some series that have a title name, chapter names, chapter numbers and not one of them are chronological :/

Meh, should just be thankful for the fics but WANTS IT PROPER !!!! :P

Date: 2010-06-18 10:13 pm (UTC)
thefrogg: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thefrogg
I'd think you're talking about me (and my Criminal Minds series) but I have two master postss for that series (one listing title, summary, and chronological order, the other listing chronological order as compared to order written) and a master fic list. And my chapters don't have numbers. Well, not since I got past the first nine, or so, because they wound up in the middle of the series.

Hee!

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Date: 2010-06-15 12:15 pm (UTC)
zillah975: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zillah975
THIS omg.

(Also, good summaries are your friend. Short works can get by on a sentence or two, but for a multi-chapter epic, something more than, "Can Sam and Dean find true love?" is necessary, darn it.)

Date: 2010-06-15 12:23 pm (UTC)
saekhwa: Asian woman with short black hair & arms outspread and text that reads: 'free' (word)
From: [personal profile] saekhwa
I've given up on fics entirely because it was so much work to figure out what came next. Like you, I prefer links to all the parts at the top of the post so that I don't have to scroll down because usually, I have to save the fic to read for later.

And, of course, all of this gets compounded with my issue that a 10,000 story does NOT need to be broken up into eight or more posts. If single file isn't an option, the fewer posts, the better, I say.

Date: 2010-06-16 09:24 am (UTC)
stormcloude: don't bother me, I'm reading (spn sam+fanfic)
From: [personal profile] stormcloude
Now I'm curious what story prompted this.

Date: 2010-06-16 10:40 am (UTC)
bliink: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bliink
Words cannot describe how much I agree with everything in this post, especially the point about having 2 Master Posts with sequential numbers!

I forget the story now, but I stumbled across one which had been broken up into 2 Master Posts, with Post 1 having 8 parts and Post 2 having 15 and somehow managed to jump from Post 1 chapter 8 to Post 2 chapter 9! So much frustration especially as I'd saved it on my reader and was on holidays with no internet.

Here from metafandom

Date: 2010-06-17 04:30 am (UTC)
yourlibrarian: sammysbitchface-sunnyluvsmcshep (SPN-sammysbitchface-sunnyluvsmcshep)
From: [personal profile] yourlibrarian
I fail to understand why authors can't, at a minimum, stick a fic name tag on their stories or a "fandom-fic" sort of tag. It's so easy to add when posting. I recently read a multi-part fic that didn't have them. Luckily it was posted as a finished work and thus all the parts were in sequence. But there were no internal links, no tags, no nothing. Had it been a WIP no way would I have tried tracking down the separated parts.

The double header issue can also be a problem with podfic. I recently heard a thirty part story that was actually separated into a part 1 and part 2 with repeating chapter numbers. I didn't realize it had a division and started in halfway through the fic.

Date: 2010-06-17 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] snarkhunt
This times a million kajillion. >.> There is are reasons why I decided to go SUPER ORGANIZED for my writing journal (of... which I'm posting from, I just realized) and this is one of them. It drives me crazy when I have to jump through hoops to get to the next part of the story.

Of course, the worst of it is when you come across chapter 20 or something in a community and you think it looks interesting, but when you decide to find the other chapters, you find out it's ONLY posted in said community, and then find out that not only did the author NOT link the previous chapters, but the tags aren't there either. Drives me nuts.

Date: 2010-06-17 05:44 am (UTC)
slashpervert: (Default)
From: [personal profile] slashpervert
Yes, this was suggested to me as well and I have been implementing it. I also provide links to the next part at the end of every chapter. It can be a time consuming process if you are posting in mirrored journals like LJ, IJ and DW. I have to manually insert each correct link at each site.

I would add a couple of other pet peeves:

One is the 6A, 6B thing you mentioned. When I divide my story into chapters, I make sure each one is a single post. If it doesn't fit, then it becomes another chapter. I really prefer they just number the posts as chapters. Anything else is just too confusing.

Roman numerals. Absolutely detest. They are so difficult to read. And really make it miserable for those of use with things like dyslexia.

The idea isn't to make the chapter system "fancy" because that often makes it complicated. Complicated structures are a barrier to the reader that takes them out out of the flow of the story.

Date: 2010-06-17 01:10 pm (UTC)
dossier: the ancient ancestor of Herbatus Unimoosis (Default)
From: [personal profile] dossier
word to eleventy!!111bilion. I'll admit that I don't look too hard for the missing pieces either, just skip the story and move on. Even if there isn't a master post, I'm perfectly happy with mere links at the bottom of the page for the next part in absence of a master post, and barring that will settle for a single tag that'll get me all the way through. It's not that difficult to collate a list of parts as you post each section in a text file, nor does it take up that much space on the post itself.

I wonder at the lack of care. To me if an author doesn't care enough about the story to make sure the parts are accessible to a latecoming reader, then I generally have to assume that the rest of the story has been given that same level of attention. Phooey.

Date: 2010-06-18 10:11 am (UTC)
dossier: the ancient ancestor of Herbatus Unimoosis (Default)
From: [personal profile] dossier
...or new enough to journaling to not know you can indeed edit posts to a community, too. It is confusing, and I should be more generous. :)

Date: 2010-06-17 06:00 pm (UTC)
dmarley: Fingerpainting (Default)
From: [personal profile] dmarley
So much agreement here. When I'm trying to read through everything in a newsletter I just don't have time to play "hunt the link" with every multi-part story. Plus, I've routinely saved everything to read offline for fifteen years, and don't see myself breaking the habit any time soon.

Also, just to plug a useful tool, I use a Firefox extention called Multi-Links, which makes master posts my best friends ever. I just select the area of the page with the links, and they open in their own separate tabs in one fell swoop. Bliss. It works pretty well with tags, too, if you select down the edge of the page where the comment/add a comment links are.

Date: 2010-06-17 08:30 pm (UTC)
sothcweden: birds flying high at sunset/dawn (Default)
From: [personal profile] sothcweden
Readers have found a few ways to get around these blocks...when they (including myself) are at work and have the time to read the fic, this is not the best time to find out they missed downloading parts of the author’s story. Oh, hell yes. Except for me it's the opposite problem: I copy the stories while at work then go home where there is no internet to read. I really appreciate authors who make it easy to blip from bit to bit as I dump the story into a Word doc.

Date: 2010-06-18 12:05 am (UTC)
kennahijja: (Mediocre)
From: [personal profile] kennahijja
*peeks in via metafandom*

Heh, yes - it can drive you crazy, trying to chase down chapters and fics on LJ, and I have to be very desperate to read something (more often than not) to actually chase through tags, etc. Especially if it's heavily multichapter, and really a lot of work.

That said, I've never managed to make a LJ masterlist of my fic either, but I tend to back things up on one or two archives and have a link to those in my userinfo...

Date: 2010-06-18 06:06 am (UTC)
michelel72: (SGA-RodneySam-Reading)
From: [personal profile] michelel72
Granted, I came to writing late, but I've never understood why this isn't automatic. If people can't find your fic, they won't read it! That seems so obvious to me! I haven't quite gotten to the master-post point yet, but I've done everything short of it I can think of. I know I hate not knowing where the rest of a story is when I'm a reader; I can't imagine doing that to my own readers.

Date: 2010-06-18 03:49 pm (UTC)
gloriamundi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gloriamundi
Absolutely! (would also strongly recommend use of story-specific tags)

And as someone who tends to download fic and read offline, I do love authors who post a link to a single-file version of the fic when it's complete!

Tangentially, I have had to give up on trying to track abandoned WIPs -- it's not always clear that a WIP is no longer IP and I've found myself paging through the author's entire LJ/DW trying and failing to find another chapter. (easy enough to post a note explaining WIP -> WNIP)

Here from Metafandom!

Date: 2010-06-18 10:09 pm (UTC)
thefrogg: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thefrogg
Word to the wordy word word.

You'd think this would be, like, one of the first things a fan learns to do when stumbling into fandom.

But nooooo.

*sigh*

Well, this and not just posting a massive epic directly to a comm.

Date: 2010-06-28 10:02 pm (UTC)
debris_k: Yay by jhava@lj (Yay by jhava@lj)
From: [personal profile] debris_k
This sucks. And the author gets no cookie or brownie points from me or any other reader that has experienced this.

ILU, like, so much right now.

My opinion on chapter #a, #b - why not just call them 'parts' instead of 'chapters' when linking? On the same vein, stuff like 'prologue', 'interludes' and 'epilogue' DOES COUNT AS A STORY PART, DAMMIT. Every time I see a story that claims, for example, to be 7/7 when the the truth is more like 13-and-half-as-there's-commentficlets-as-well/7 it's all I can do not to just dump the whole thing into alt+F4 abyss. Masterlists, or part listings on each part of the story should really go like: part 1 (prologue), part 2 (chapter 1), part 3 (chapter 2a), part 4 (chapter 2b), part 5 (comment snippet in part 4 [linked directly]), etc, etc. It's not hard! It's just counting from one onwards, and adding links as you go.

Why there are so many authors who fail to grasp that yes, readers need easy to find working links to all story/series/'verse parts to be able to read the works properly and with ease is beyond me.

And why some authors who have been around longer than I've had a computer can't grasp the concept of a story header and/or story description i.e. summary is anyone's guess. Out-of-context snippets or links to a personal fic archive DO NOT tell me what I need to know to feel safe reading what they presumably want me to read. And this is said from plenty of experience being burned by getting squicked or disappointed or plain confused by what I got when I clicked into the unknown - which is what they're basically asking me to do, every time they don't label their linked work.

tl;dr I think I'll be linking to your post instead of leaving snarky comments or cajoling for information if situations as mentioned in your post and in the comments here occur from now on. Who knows, it might even have some effect - if not on the targeted writer, then on someone else willing to learn and caring about doing things right.
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