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Master Posts are posts where an author lists their header information as well as chapters to all the parts in their LJ posted fic. This helps the reader find all the parts in the story.
The basic Master Post shares essential information about the story such as:
Author:
Title:
Pairing:
Fandom:
Word Count:
Warnings:
Summary:
Artist: (Include link)
Most authors get this part just right.
The part many authors miss is helping the reader find all the parts to their fic. I don’t think readers are asking a lot. We want to read your story, we want to read it in the correct order, and we actually want to read ALL of the story.
Some authors use tags, which helps, but tags are not nearly as effective as a simple list of links leading to each chapter or part in the story.
But in doing that, sometimes the links aren't enough either because they lead to locked posts, they aren't in a logical order; in so many ways, writers shoot themselves in their own feet by making it difficult to read multiple post fic.
For example, what many authors do is list Chapter 1a but make no mention of 1b in their chapter post let alone at the top of Chapter 1a, which could lead the reader to believe that there are no links at the bottom of the fic. This is NOT good. Not everyone (like me) is going to scroll down 18 plus chapters to see if there is more at the end. Trying to read a story shouldn’t be like a scavenger hunt.
This sucks. And the author gets no cookie or brownie points from me or any other reader that has experienced this.
Another issue for the multi-part stories is that some authors make 2 Master Posts. For the reader this is confusing, first because it makes me ask why there are two master posts for the same story? Why not just have one master post and list all the links there.
One time there was a multi-part story with two master posts, and in master post #1 (which was part 1), there were (let's just say) seven chapters numbered 1 through 7. But in the master post #2 (which was part 2), there were eight chapters, and they were numbered 1 through 8. If you stumbled upon master post #2, you might think you were at the beginning of the story, but instead you ended up in the middle. Much confusion develops for the reader when trying to figure this out.
If you MUST have two master posts (though it boggles the mind as to why you would want this kind of maintenance nightmare), then the chapters should be consistently sequential from beginning to end. Like this:
Part 1
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Part 2
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6a
Chapter 6b
It’s the author’s job (if they choose to share their writing) to make the access to their stories clear and not confusing. It does not inspire confidence in a story if an author cannot share their story in a way that does not confuse the reader or cut them off from the rest of the story.
Many workplaces now block social networking sites such as Livejournal. Readers have found a few ways to get around these blocks such as downloading fic to usb sticks, emailing the stories to themselves, and etc…as a result when they (including myself) are at work and have the time to read the fic, this is not the best time to find out they missed downloading parts of the author’s story. Keeping in mind with a limited amount of time in the evening to download and etc…this happens quite often.
These are just some things to keep in mind if you’re an author posting a multi-chaptered story or splitting a story up due to LJ word posting limitations. The simplest solution would be a single file version but if that is not possible then it is rather important that the author make it as easy and clear as possible for their readers to find every part of their story in a single post.
The basic Master Post shares essential information about the story such as:
Author:
Title:
Pairing:
Fandom:
Word Count:
Warnings:
Summary:
Artist: (Include link)
Most authors get this part just right.
The part many authors miss is helping the reader find all the parts to their fic. I don’t think readers are asking a lot. We want to read your story, we want to read it in the correct order, and we actually want to read ALL of the story.
Some authors use tags, which helps, but tags are not nearly as effective as a simple list of links leading to each chapter or part in the story.
But in doing that, sometimes the links aren't enough either because they lead to locked posts, they aren't in a logical order; in so many ways, writers shoot themselves in their own feet by making it difficult to read multiple post fic.
For example, what many authors do is list Chapter 1a but make no mention of 1b in their chapter post let alone at the top of Chapter 1a, which could lead the reader to believe that there are no links at the bottom of the fic. This is NOT good. Not everyone (like me) is going to scroll down 18 plus chapters to see if there is more at the end. Trying to read a story shouldn’t be like a scavenger hunt.
This sucks. And the author gets no cookie or brownie points from me or any other reader that has experienced this.
Another issue for the multi-part stories is that some authors make 2 Master Posts. For the reader this is confusing, first because it makes me ask why there are two master posts for the same story? Why not just have one master post and list all the links there.
One time there was a multi-part story with two master posts, and in master post #1 (which was part 1), there were (let's just say) seven chapters numbered 1 through 7. But in the master post #2 (which was part 2), there were eight chapters, and they were numbered 1 through 8. If you stumbled upon master post #2, you might think you were at the beginning of the story, but instead you ended up in the middle. Much confusion develops for the reader when trying to figure this out.
If you MUST have two master posts (though it boggles the mind as to why you would want this kind of maintenance nightmare), then the chapters should be consistently sequential from beginning to end. Like this:
Part 1
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Part 2
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6a
Chapter 6b
It’s the author’s job (if they choose to share their writing) to make the access to their stories clear and not confusing. It does not inspire confidence in a story if an author cannot share their story in a way that does not confuse the reader or cut them off from the rest of the story.
Many workplaces now block social networking sites such as Livejournal. Readers have found a few ways to get around these blocks such as downloading fic to usb sticks, emailing the stories to themselves, and etc…as a result when they (including myself) are at work and have the time to read the fic, this is not the best time to find out they missed downloading parts of the author’s story. Keeping in mind with a limited amount of time in the evening to download and etc…this happens quite often.
These are just some things to keep in mind if you’re an author posting a multi-chaptered story or splitting a story up due to LJ word posting limitations. The simplest solution would be a single file version but if that is not possible then it is rather important that the author make it as easy and clear as possible for their readers to find every part of their story in a single post.
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Date: 2010-06-15 03:38 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-06-15 03:47 am (UTC)I'm a fan of a sticky post or a link to an archive or something that is organized and relatively complete. It probably is a separate discussion since it's a multi-story issue as opposed to a single story issue.
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Date: 2010-06-15 04:18 am (UTC)LJ changed the tag rules and everyone's tags died
Date: 2010-06-15 08:46 am (UTC)thank god, most of my stories from my rec lists were linking to the SSA, otherwise, I would seriously got a crisis, if I had to link everything anew XD
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Date: 2010-06-15 08:42 am (UTC)ie: [master post | part 1 | part 3 | part 4 | art]
etc. It was more coding work on my part, sure, but you can't say you get lost! (Though I haven't tried this yet with a story that was more than 3 parts.)
Although, I also tend not to post WiPs. Even when I post subsequent stories in a series, I try to go back to the earlier stories and add in the new links, so that no matter where people stumble in, they can find their way to the beginning/middle/end. (there's nothing worse than coming across a part 1, with no link to a part 2. but in part 2 they link back to part 1... argh.)
Slightly related, but of definite interest to me --- what about Master Lists of all the fic an author has written? Do you think the same headers should apply? Most master lists I've seen tend to just have a title and a pairing, maybe a brief summary. I loathe how my own is set up, but with so many fics, I'm not sure how else to do it. (although I'm contemplating a delicious...)
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Date: 2010-06-16 02:55 am (UTC)Depending on how many stories a person has it may determine if more info can be shared or not. If it's a long list it's nice when the author adds anchor links at the top to jump down to the bottom or anchor links to each fandom section, or pairing section if they write in one fandom.
The master fic list is hard to mess up. My biggest complaint is lack of a Master Fic List. But once it's there as long as the links work and if the author uses a master post for their multi-chaptered stories then I'm good to go. Some authors add all their links to every chapter in the Master Fic Post but on this topic I haven't given it much thought.
I also didn't mention the Master Fic List in this post because I didn't want to muddle the issue. :)
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Date: 2010-06-15 10:31 am (UTC)It's annoying to trying to find the chapters (if there ARE ANY) and even more annoying to trying to keep up with parts of chapters...as I like to copy everything into a word doc and read it in my historically old laptop and it bugs me OH SO MUCH to do too much work with fics.
Worst are some series that have a title name, chapter names, chapter numbers and not one of them are chronological :/
Meh, should just be thankful for the fics but WANTS IT PROPER !!!! :P
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Date: 2010-06-16 03:13 am (UTC)Worst are some series that have a title name, chapter names, chapter numbers and not one of them are chronological :/
oh I hate when that happens!
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Date: 2010-06-18 10:13 pm (UTC)Hee!
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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Date: 2010-06-19 03:33 am (UTC)But truly this goes across every fandom with people posting on LJ or DW and it was not intended to single anyone out but just to bring up awareness from a reader's pov. :)
I think the key is all your stories are located in one post and people know there's another with a different order but the same story? I've seen other authors do that.
Numbers do help but it's not as necessary if there is a master post. I also love that you have a Master Fic List. Not all authors have one and a few people pointed out that I should have mentioned it.
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Date: 2010-06-15 12:15 pm (UTC)(Also, good summaries are your friend. Short works can get by on a sentence or two, but for a multi-chapter epic, something more than, "Can Sam and Dean find true love?" is necessary, darn it.)
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Date: 2010-06-16 03:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-15 12:23 pm (UTC)And, of course, all of this gets compounded with my issue that a 10,000 story does NOT need to be broken up into eight or more posts. If single file isn't an option, the fewer posts, the better, I say.
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Date: 2010-06-16 03:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-16 09:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-17 04:02 am (UTC)But really I've seen this in SGA, SPN, Star Trek, Harry Potter, and etc...
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Date: 2010-06-16 10:40 am (UTC)I forget the story now, but I stumbled across one which had been broken up into 2 Master Posts, with Post 1 having 8 parts and Post 2 having 15 and somehow managed to jump from Post 1 chapter 8 to Post 2 chapter 9! So much frustration especially as I'd saved it on my reader and was on holidays with no internet.
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Date: 2010-06-17 04:06 am (UTC)I let the author know about the confusion but she never did fix the post so I'm willing to bet other readers got into it and made the same mistake I did. I mean I read a LOT not talking about hundreds but thousands of stories and if I messed up reading her story I can bet that other people would too.
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Date: 2010-06-17 04:30 am (UTC)The double header issue can also be a problem with podfic. I recently heard a thirty part story that was actually separated into a part 1 and part 2 with repeating chapter numbers. I didn't realize it had a division and started in halfway through the fic.
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Date: 2010-06-17 04:42 am (UTC)Of course, the worst of it is when you come across chapter 20 or something in a community and you think it looks interesting, but when you decide to find the other chapters, you find out it's ONLY posted in said community, and then find out that not only did the author NOT link the previous chapters, but the tags aren't there either. Drives me nuts.
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Date: 2010-06-17 05:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-06-17 05:44 am (UTC)I would add a couple of other pet peeves:
One is the 6A, 6B thing you mentioned. When I divide my story into chapters, I make sure each one is a single post. If it doesn't fit, then it becomes another chapter. I really prefer they just number the posts as chapters. Anything else is just too confusing.
Roman numerals. Absolutely detest. They are so difficult to read. And really make it miserable for those of use with things like dyslexia.
The idea isn't to make the chapter system "fancy" because that often makes it complicated. Complicated structures are a barrier to the reader that takes them out out of the flow of the story.
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Date: 2010-06-17 07:10 am (UTC)Now about the 6A and 6B not all authors make sure their post fits in one post so the chapters are sometimes in 3 parts! This is not readily apparently unless the author links to it. Don't get me wrong if everyone did that it would not be needed. But it's preferable to me to have 6A and 6B vs just 6A with no mention it's split into two separate posts.
I haven't thought of a better way for authors to deal with a chapter that got split due to the 10k character limit in LJ and I've given this some thought. I was hoping maybe someone would have a better suggestion on that.
I truly appreciate the effort you put into presenting your stories. :)
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Date: 2010-06-17 01:10 pm (UTC)I wonder at the lack of care. To me if an author doesn't care enough about the story to make sure the parts are accessible to a latecoming reader, then I generally have to assume that the rest of the story has been given that same level of attention. Phooey.
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Date: 2010-06-18 02:33 am (UTC)I think it's a matter of organizational ability and some writers are great writers but suck at organizing their stuff. In the past many authors would post to archives where the organizing was done for them.
You already are used to organizing because you have a website. I think for many people LJ is their first place to host fic and they don't do it all that often so they don't recognize or realize how hard it is for readers to find all the parts.
But yes authors should go back to their story a week later and see how many links they have to go through to find all their chapters. Or hit a middle chapter and see how many links it takes to find chapter 1. I say counting link hits because if it takes the author more than 3 something is wrong. But authors have the advantage of knowing their tagging system where readers are left guessing if fanfic:spn is where the spn stuff is posted or fanfic:posts.
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Date: 2010-06-17 06:00 pm (UTC)Also, just to plug a useful tool, I use a Firefox extention called Multi-Links, which makes master posts my best friends ever. I just select the area of the page with the links, and they open in their own separate tabs in one fell swoop. Bliss. It works pretty well with tags, too, if you select down the edge of the page where the comment/add a comment links are.
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Date: 2010-06-18 02:38 am (UTC)I'll have to give this new one a try it seems like fewer steps. :)
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Date: 2010-06-18 12:05 am (UTC)Heh, yes - it can drive you crazy, trying to chase down chapters and fics on LJ, and I have to be very desperate to read something (more often than not) to actually chase through tags, etc. Especially if it's heavily multichapter, and really a lot of work.
That said, I've never managed to make a LJ masterlist of my fic either, but I tend to back things up on one or two archives and have a link to those in my userinfo...
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Date: 2010-06-18 02:39 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-06-18 03:49 pm (UTC)And as someone who tends to download fic and read offline, I do love authors who post a link to a single-file version of the fic when it's complete!
Tangentially, I have had to give up on trying to track abandoned WIPs -- it's not always clear that a WIP is no longer IP and I've found myself paging through the author's entire LJ/DW trying and failing to find another chapter. (easy enough to post a note explaining WIP -> WNIP)
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Date: 2010-06-19 03:56 am (UTC)The authors I love best are the ones that give options on how to read their story. It's kind of nice to know they care.
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Date: 2010-06-18 10:09 pm (UTC)You'd think this would be, like, one of the first things a fan learns to do when stumbling into fandom.
But nooooo.
*sigh*
Well, this and not just posting a massive epic directly to a comm.
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Date: 2010-06-28 10:02 pm (UTC)ILU, like, so much right now.
My opinion on chapter #a, #b - why not just call them 'parts' instead of 'chapters' when linking? On the same vein, stuff like 'prologue', 'interludes' and 'epilogue' DOES COUNT AS A STORY PART, DAMMIT. Every time I see a story that claims, for example, to be 7/7 when the the truth is more like 13-and-half-as-there's-commentficlets-as-well/7 it's all I can do not to just dump the whole thing into alt+F4 abyss. Masterlists, or part listings on each part of the story should really go like: part 1 (prologue), part 2 (chapter 1), part 3 (chapter 2a), part 4 (chapter 2b), part 5 (comment snippet in part 4 [linked directly]), etc, etc. It's not hard! It's just counting from one onwards, and adding links as you go.
Why there are so many authors who fail to grasp that yes, readers need easy to find working links to all story/series/'verse parts to be able to read the works properly and with ease is beyond me.
And why some authors who have been around longer than I've had a computer can't grasp the concept of a story header and/or story description i.e. summary is anyone's guess. Out-of-context snippets or links to a personal fic archive DO NOT tell me what I need to know to feel safe reading what they presumably want me to read. And this is said from plenty of experience being burned by getting squicked or disappointed or plain confused by what I got when I clicked into the unknown - which is what they're basically asking me to do, every time they don't label their linked work.
tl;dr I think I'll be linking to your post instead of leaving snarky comments or cajoling for information if situations as mentioned in your post and in the comments here occur from now on. Who knows, it might even have some effect - if not on the targeted writer, then on someone else willing to learn and caring about doing things right.
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Date: 2010-06-29 03:18 am (UTC)Some authors do this. Basically I'm not married to 'part' vs 'chapter' I just want all parts in one one post.
I agree it would be nice if more authors adapted this method of sharing fic or something similar.